Carole Hemmelgarn

It was mixed by Eleanor Osborne and Jasmine Klinger with help from Jeremy Johnston. The Freakonomics Radio network staff also includes Alina Kullman, Augusta Chapman, Ellen Frankman, Elsa Hernandez, Gabriel Roth. Greg Rippin, Morgan Levy, Sarah Lilly, and Tao Jacobs. You can find our entire archive on any podcast app, also at Freakonomics.com, where we publish transcripts and show notes.

It was mixed by Eleanor Osborne and Jasmine Klinger with help from Jeremy Johnston. The Freakonomics Radio network staff also includes Alina Kullman, Augusta Chapman, Ellen Frankman, Elsa Hernandez, Gabriel Roth. Greg Rippin, Morgan Levy, Sarah Lilly, and Tao Jacobs. You can find our entire archive on any podcast app, also at Freakonomics.com, where we publish transcripts and show notes.

Our theme song is Mr. Fortune by the Hitchhikers, and our composer is Luis Guerra. The conversation that we had casually last year was a great conversation. If we can essentially do something similar, that'll be fantastic for our listeners.

Our theme song is Mr. Fortune by the Hitchhikers, and our composer is Luis Guerra. The conversation that we had casually last year was a great conversation. If we can essentially do something similar, that'll be fantastic for our listeners.

Our theme song is Mr. Fortune by the Hitchhikers, and our composer is Luis Guerra. The conversation that we had casually last year was a great conversation. If we can essentially do something similar, that'll be fantastic for our listeners.