Carole Hooven, Ph.D.

But what it has done for me is made me much more committed to doing something like what you do.

Part of why I'm a huge fan of yours, and I'll probably start to cry again, and I think it's very rare that people get so into the scientific weeds.

I don't detect any bias on your part.

I detect your very open and honest struggle to understand the evidence and to talk about the evidence and where it points.

And that's what I've always tried to do.

And I think it is so important, not just for science, but for people to be able to communicate with each other and share facts.

Maybe we disagree about the implications of the facts.

But it's so important to take ideology and bias out of our understanding of reality.

Reality is there whether we like it or not.

It's always to our benefit to understand it and to try to figure out then to use democratic processes to figure out what to do with reality or how to improve human health or whatever the issue is.

So I guess that experience has just made me much more committed to

to doing that and to advocate for that, which isn't always easy.

And some of the things I said today are controversial.

But, you know, I'd love to hear if people disagree, why.

And then that's how we learn is by having our views and interpretation of evidence challenged.

Yeah, we didn't say what happened.

I'll just say that I wrote a book, T, The Story of Testosterone, The Hormone That Dominates and Divides Us.

And I went on Fox News and said that there are two sexes, male and female.

And someone who was representing themselves as speaking on behalf of Harvard in my department accused me of transphobia.

And then there was other bad things that happened.