Caroline Fraser

You know, I think that the behavior of these corporate actors was as bad.

I mean, it's, you know, maybe pernicious to compare.

But I think that, you know, people have come to see that the ways that corporations have behaved is murderous.

You know, that they're not...

I mean, aside from just the issue of taking responsibility, they're just going to go ahead with what they want to do and make the profits that they want and leave us to pay the price.

And that, I think, is something that in a sane world would have to change.

We would have to look at what a corporation wants to do before they start doing it.

Yeah.

You know, and figure out, okay, well, if they want to proceed with this, how do we prevent the damage that could occur?

And if they can't figure out how to prevent it, they shouldn't be operating.

Yeah, it's now very difficult to figure out how many people were directly and indirectly harmed by these smelters because of the destruction of evidence.

Many of them had sort of people on staff whose job it was to put out false information.

In Tacoma, there was a guy, a doctor at the smelter,

who wrote false papers saying that, oh, the workers aren't being harmed by exposure to arsenic, when in fact his numbers showed that people who worked at the plant were dying

of an elevated percentage of lung cancer.

And he suppressed that information.

He said their deaths were from heart failure, which everybody dies of heart failure.

So he basically was falsifying the information from their death certificates and publishing papers

designed to make it look like arsenic wasn't a poison.

Yeah.