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Caroline Fraser

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763 total appearances

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And a few years ago, maybe 2008 or something like that, some people, a couple of people were murdered down the street from me.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I live in a very peaceful neighborhood.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And that was something that really made me start thinking about

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

the issue of maybe, you know, it might be a good idea to think of moving back to the Pacific Northwest, which I wanted to do anyway because I have family up there.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And a few years later, because of that, I was up in the Northwest and looking at real estate ads.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And at this point, I didn't really know anything about the smelter or the

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

the lead issues.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

But I was looking at property on Vashon Island, which if you know anything about the Pacific Northwest is in Puget Sound.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

It's right across from West Seattle.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

Beautiful little

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

It was quite rural when I was growing up there.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

Beautiful place.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I came across a real estate ad that said, and this is just for undeveloped property, and it said, arsenic remediation may be necessary.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I thought, wow, what could possibly have caused so much arsenic pollution on Vashon Island that you would have to get it remediated?

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

I mean, that just seemed crazy to me.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I was so curious about that and I looked it up online and, you know, within minutes discovered that there had been an infamous lead and copper smelter in the city of Tacoma, which is just south of Vashon Island.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And so Vashon received a lot of the pollution from that smelter.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And so that began a whole process of kind of learning about what happened here, you know, what happened in this region.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I also knew, because I'm sort of really interested in serial killers, as I mentioned, and had been for a long time, reading about them and reading about Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway and

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2360 - Caroline Fraser

And I knew that both Bundy and Gary Ridgway, who was the Green River killer, had grown up in Tacoma at the same time that the smelter is, you know, the smelter had been operating there since the 1880s, 1890s, so for a very long time.