Caroline Hyde

Not only from space geeks like us, but from

from everybody that we talk to.

And so it's a great moment of opportunity for us in this country to continue to drive STEM learning and innovation.

And Jared Eisenman, of course, the administrator, how important has NASA's focus been on this, to be bold, but also what about the money and what more is needed right now from the government?

Right.

I do think Jared has been a real breath of fresh air coming in and trying to drive the agency to move faster, but do so smartly.

I also know that he understands, based on personal experience, the risks involved in human spaceflight.

And so we're going to fly when we're ready, but we need to...

start moving things out of the way.

When I was director of JPL, I had this group I called the Snowplow Team, which is, can we get stuff out of the way for the technical folks who are trying to get us further, faster, and get things done?

We've got to be the people that clear out that clutter.

And I know that he's really committed to that.

And it's great because NASA needs that.

It's become a bit bureaucratic.

And it's great to have that breath of fresh air in Jared.

Marge, your tenure, you were launching several new NASA missions.

Laurie Leshin, it's always so great to have you on.

Thank you so much.

Former director of NASA Jet Propulsion Lab, currently the professor of Space Futures at Arizona State University.

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