Caroline

Very triggering for us.

They're too focused on the Chandler's dad of it all.

They needed to put more into Chandler's mom.

Yeah, me and Dolly had a long time talking about this, that thing of like, it's strange because so much of casting Kathleen Turner in that role, which is problematic for so many different reasons, and was also quite misogynist for so many different reasons, because it was also a direct reference to Kathleen Turner being an actress who had health issues and sort of

lost her kind of like what people knew as like to be a kind of a bombshell physique because she had health issues and some of her face changed because she had health issues and their kind of way of sort of winding up that joke with her was like what if she was a transsexual you know like it's like such a strange cruel weird misogynist move but then

she plays it with such incredible aplomb and it's so moving and she's so funny.

And it's very weird.

I think the way it's shot, it's so weird because it's, I mean, it's pretty fucking ambitious for a sitcom filmmaking, right?

Right, because you're really limited when you're making sitcom and you're just there with sets, right?

You have the same stationary sets that you're using over and over again.

So those little flourishes and all your New York scenes are just you on a backlot that looked like the set of Annie.

And they're like, yeah, those opportunities I imagine are fairly rare.

And also I imagine you train yourself out of even thinking of them because you're using sets all the time.

And so then using that Chandler's Thanksgiving set, it feels like it's intentionally the memory of a child who's remembering it a bit wrong.

Do you know what it reminds me of?

go it's those chapters in this is such a crazy reference those chapters in the secret garden when everyone's dying of cholera and she's wandering around yes the the mansion alone with a snake drinking wine yes you're so right which explains why i love that scene so much because i love the secret garden please buy my book the secret detectives it's based on that one scene uh you'll love it

Oh my God.

This is so, this is the kind of insights you come to the Christmas special for.

It's like, imagine, imagine the secret garden, like the classic version starring Maggie Smith, but it's Chandler.

Could you be any more friends with that crow?