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Carrie Johnson

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The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

I'm Carrie Johnson.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Yeah, a number of the justices at the center of the court, from the Chief Justice John Roberts to Neil Gorsuch, another Trump appointee, to Elena Kagan, an Obama appointee, raised some questions about the Trump administration's case.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Roberts said their arguments in some ways were quirky and idiosyncratic.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Kagan called them esoteric.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Gorsuch talked about how the Solicitor General John Sauer was reticent

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

reaching to sources in Roman law to make his argument that the 14th Amendment didn't mean what it says.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

And I think all of those things were significant.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Also, you know, the Trump administration has been advancing this argument that people are coming to the U.S., people from Russia and China, to have babies here, and that could pose some kind of national security threat or a threat to allegiance to the United States.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Roberts basically said...

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

We may have a new social problem here in that, but we don't have a new constitution.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

And that's an issue that other justices came back to as well.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Justice Kagan in particular basically said, I understand the policy considerations that this administration is putting forth, but it's not maybe enough or we would need a tremendous magnitude of evidence and argument to solve

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

turn away from birthright citizenship, which this country has basically understood to mean something for 160 years or so.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

Trump's day one executive order, of course, only dealt with babies born 30 days after the date of that order.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

And today in the arguments, the solicitor, General John Sauer, once again asked for relief that would be prospective.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

In other words, this order wouldn't go back and take away the citizenship of babies already born in the U.S.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

But Justice Sotomayor really raised questions about that.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

She basically said the argument, the import of the argument that Trump administration is making would allow somebody to go back and potentially denaturalize lots and lots of people who are already born in this country.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

And, you know, that would be a tremendous, tremendous change and a real upheaval.

The NPR Politics Podcast
SCOTUS hears birthright citizenship arguments

In another passage, other justices asked about, you know, how that could play out moving forward.