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We shall see.

Interesting, the difference in emphasis coming from those two sides.

Donald Trump very much talking up that possibility, China keeping tight-lipped, but they might be trying to get something else from the Americans before they agree to put that pressure on.

There is a follow-up from Bruce as well, Alan.

Has the current fuel crisis caused any increase in the production of biofuel in Australia?

So one of the most noticeable changes in behaviour, buying behaviour, though, has been the move to electric vehicles.

We've had updated numbers showing that we've continued to see an uptick in people purchasing them, both full battery electric but also hybrid models.

They're all on the rise.

But we did hear from the opposition leader, Angus Taylor, once again talking about scrapping any subsidies for electric vehicles.

What did you make of that, Alan, and what do you think it potentially could do

to derailing potentially the uptake of those vehicles?

Yeah, I think that's right.

I think it's moved, hasn't it, from being an ideological question for some people who wanted to purchase electric vehicles because they wanted to do their part to

to fight against changes from climate change, whereas now for most people it's economic.

As you say, for some people that's about making sure that they're not paying inflated prices for diesel fuel or petrol fuel or whatever they're using in their vehicle.

But also just now that the actual purchase of those vehicles has become so much cheaper that they're competitive with buying an internal combustion engine anyway.

So I think those numbers, yes, the incentives obviously help to make that stack up.

But the cheaper they become, you know, the less important those incentives becomes as well.

Alan, thank you so much for joining us for Fuelcast.

People can catch That's Business with Alan Kohler later today.