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Casey Handmer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And this conventional wisdom is wrong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It is not only the case that solar adoption, production price decreases are continuing, they're accelerating, and the rate that they're accelerating is still accelerating.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

In the sense that its fitness for the markets that it is being produced for is increasing over time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So it is still extremely early.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

We're still at the Apple II computer era of solar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Why isn't that true for... Well, let's say you're a bank and you're trying to decide whether to lend, I don't know, like, gee, a bunch of money to expand production of the gas turbines.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You can write them the check today and then they'll start scaling up their factories and then they'll start to see the benefits in three or four or five years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You don't know if the AI bubble will burst by then.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You don't know if China will have invaded Taiwan by then.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You don't know if Siemens or Philips or someone will have out-competed you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You don't know if GE's major looming structural problems will cause it to be unable to compete as it has in the past.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You also don't know.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

In order to make that money back, you have to then operate that plant at that capacity for 20 years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And if I was looking at the same charts as they're looking at right now, I'd say, what are the odds that in 25 years' time,

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

we can produce gas turbines at a price that is relevant in a world where solar is already at its current price.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And batteries are at a price where they're already.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

You cannot win.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Did they end up indeed ramping up their production?

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

I think so.