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Casey Handmer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So on average, you know, if the sun came up every day and the day was the same length all the time, you would need four megawatts of solar arrays, which is about four acres of land.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

But in practice, because you're aiming for four nines instead of like one nine, you need an overbuild about two and a half X.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So you've got about 10 acres of solar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So 10 acres of solar, six truckloads of batteries, one truckload of data center and some cooling stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

One megawatt.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

That's just one megawatt.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So 10 acres, one megawatt kind of situation at four nines.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So if you want five gigawatts and that's 5,000 times 10, so 50,000 acres.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And actually at larger scale, you can probably cut all those numbers down by 10, 20%, but like on that order.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And like 50,000 acres sounds like a lot.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

The amount of land put aside for Oak Ridge was 100,000 acres.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

The amount of land put aside for Hanford was about 100,000 acres.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Hanford was where they made the plutonium in the Manhattan Project.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It was about 100,000 acres.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Well, so the reason they, and it's still largely unpopulated now because it's a national laboratory.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

But the reason they did that was they thought, oh, we're going to need four acres.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

piles to produce plutonium.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

These are not, these are not nuclear reactors that produce excess thermal energy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So you can't actually make nuclear power with them, but you're making plutonium with them.