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Casey Handmer

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748 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

100 kilograms or something like that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So we're talking like four or five ohms of increase of total battery per person.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

That trend is only going to continue.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And then you say, well, okay, we've got batteries that are performing this temporal arbitrage and the sun comes up every day, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So like the power swing from like midday, you're otherwise curtailing the solar array to dusk when everyone's watching TV and cooking dinner or running the air conditioners to cool off in the evening is very predictable, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Whereas like, oh, we had like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Really bad weather, so we had to use the power line that runs to the extra power plants over by Hoover Dam or something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It doesn't get used nearly as much, or its peak utilization happens almost never.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Which means that the utilization of the batteries is, on average, let's say 300 days a year, and the utilization of your most expensive grid, highest voltage grid assets is much, much lower.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

And that includes the substations and transformers and stuff that serve that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So it's a really bad position to be in if you're a grid operator.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Because you've got this aging, existing thing that the batteries are cannibalizing, the batteries are being installed behind the meter, you don't have a say in whether they're being installed, how they're being used.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

All you know is that you're

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

that your utilization of your asset where you get to charge top dollar for it is just dropping year after year after year after year as the same time as your operating costs are increasing year after year after year.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So it's just very clear that like the average distance the electron is going to travel between generation and consumption is going to decrease in the future pretty radically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It's already decreasing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

It's going to continue to decrease.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

Well, actually in the limit you can, because you can put them on trucks and drive them around.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

So there could be a capacity market for batteries where you drive them around to people who need them in a pinch.

Dwarkesh Podcast
China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer

In practice, it's going to be cheaper just to double the size of your battery.