Casey Liss

i don't think this bodes well for apple we'll see different cases sometimes uh google has gotten worse judgments because they like were claiming that they were open but they weren't whereas apple never claims that they are they're just like it's totally closed but like oh you know it's it's so hard for third-party apps to get going you know how it makes it really hard for third-party apps to go and completely never allowing them at all in any possible way like apple had been doing right

But look at this. They have to distribute the third party. It's as if the Epic Store had to be in the App Store, and it automatically got access to every app in the App Store unless the developer opted out. Can you imagine this judgment going against Apple? Again, with the caveat, appeals, blah, blah, blah. Who knows how this will end up? But wow, this is like...

But look at this. They have to distribute the third party. It's as if the Epic Store had to be in the App Store, and it automatically got access to every app in the App Store unless the developer opted out. Can you imagine this judgment going against Apple? Again, with the caveat, appeals, blah, blah, blah. Who knows how this will end up? But wow, this is like...

the doomsday scenario for judgments on app stores it's all of apple's worst nightmares come true and all epic streams come true uh with the exception of the security policing thing which obviously they'll they'll argue about because like if you give if you give a company like google any kind of lever any kind of oversight or input into this process google will decide how they can use it to try to get back the control that they're getting taken away by this but

the doomsday scenario for judgments on app stores it's all of apple's worst nightmares come true and all epic streams come true uh with the exception of the security policing thing which obviously they'll they'll argue about because like if you give if you give a company like google any kind of lever any kind of oversight or input into this process google will decide how they can use it to try to get back the control that they're getting taken away by this but

Man, this is this is in the US. So this is not DMA. This is not the EU. This was the case we've talked about before. Google was found to have a monopoly. How are they going to fix it? They're going to fix it by saying, yeah, Google, all that stuff you were doing. You're not doing that anymore for three years. I don't know why three years like when three years is over.

Man, this is this is in the US. So this is not DMA. This is not the EU. This was the case we've talked about before. Google was found to have a monopoly. How are they going to fix it? They're going to fix it by saying, yeah, Google, all that stuff you were doing. You're not doing that anymore for three years. I don't know why three years like when three years is over.

Did this go back to the old way? This is slightly confusing. remedy but boy this is i was about to say this is epic but i'm not going to do that this is extremely harsh google cannot be happy and i guess apple's over there thinking well boy i'm glad that will never happen to us because we're so different than google

Did this go back to the old way? This is slightly confusing. remedy but boy this is i was about to say this is epic but i'm not going to do that this is extremely harsh google cannot be happy and i guess apple's over there thinking well boy i'm glad that will never happen to us because we're so different than google

mostly because google didn't totally disallow all this stuff they had a system that ostensibly allowed it but then they did anti-competitive things to stop it from happening which you would think isn't that isn't what apple's doing even worse but in the past legal cases apple has come out ahead because they're like apple never even pretended they were allowing this there's not they weren't you know illegally restraining what should have been competition there never was any competition it was never allowed at all and obviously the eu thinks that's bad but

mostly because google didn't totally disallow all this stuff they had a system that ostensibly allowed it but then they did anti-competitive things to stop it from happening which you would think isn't that isn't what apple's doing even worse but in the past legal cases apple has come out ahead because they're like apple never even pretended they were allowing this there's not they weren't you know illegally restraining what should have been competition there never was any competition it was never allowed at all and obviously the eu thinks that's bad but

So far, this has actually helped them in U.S. cases.

So far, this has actually helped them in U.S. cases.

And who knows how destructive it will actually be, by the way. Because obviously it is destructive in that it destroys the thing that these people wanted to have. Because what they had before was what they wanted to have because they got to choose. And that's what they wanted. But like, as we've said many times over, I think it would actually behoove these companies to...

And who knows how destructive it will actually be, by the way. Because obviously it is destructive in that it destroys the thing that these people wanted to have. Because what they had before was what they wanted to have because they got to choose. And that's what they wanted. But like, as we've said many times over, I think it would actually behoove these companies to...

have to compete right to to eventually have this competition force on them what we would hope is that it would force them to make better products and services because now there's competition so all the things that we would complain about about these services they would say well there's no competition so they can get away with being that crappy because in the end they're

have to compete right to to eventually have this competition force on them what we would hope is that it would force them to make better products and services because now there's competition so all the things that we would complain about about these services they would say well there's no competition so they can get away with being that crappy because in the end they're

still big and someone in the chat room said uh chris said the idea that you can't make a closed platform because the law explicitly says you can't is insane just to reiterate you can make a closed platform there's absolutely no problem with that the only time there becomes a problem is if you are if you are found to have monopoly power and found to have abused that monopoly power and if you're just making a closed platform you probably don't have monopoly power because you're a dinky little startup and it will take years and years and years

still big and someone in the chat room said uh chris said the idea that you can't make a closed platform because the law explicitly says you can't is insane just to reiterate you can make a closed platform there's absolutely no problem with that the only time there becomes a problem is if you are if you are found to have monopoly power and found to have abused that monopoly power and if you're just making a closed platform you probably don't have monopoly power because you're a dinky little startup and it will take years and years and years

if you're lucky for you to gain monopoly power and we could argue about, is it a duopoly because Apple and Google are rare, but there's no arguing that there is like a diversity of competition in the mobile phone app marketplace. There's two things, two main things, especially in the U S and the rest of the world. There's more like in China and everything, but like,