Casey Liss

their AR experience when designing stuff for Apple Glasses, they're going to be ahead of the game because they've already done it. The same way that Underscore was way ahead of the game for widgets on iOS because all the APIs were basically just ripped from watchOS for complications and stuff. I think I have that right, but you get the idea either way.

Underscore was way ahead of the game because he's basically already done that. And so that's part of the reason I think that WidgetSmith was there on day one and was so good is because he had so much experience and he's Slightly different context, but using basically the same APIs.

Underscore was way ahead of the game because he's basically already done that. And so that's part of the reason I think that WidgetSmith was there on day one and was so good is because he had so much experience and he's Slightly different context, but using basically the same APIs.

And I think that people who really and truly embrace the Vision Pro and Vision OS, I would say I have reluctantly shown it a small amount of attention. I would not say I've embraced it. But anyways, those who have really embraced it, I think they'll be way ahead of the game. And I think that everyone would agree that something that's like Orion is the future if we can get there.

And I think that people who really and truly embrace the Vision Pro and Vision OS, I would say I have reluctantly shown it a small amount of attention. I would not say I've embraced it. But anyways, those who have really embraced it, I think they'll be way ahead of the game. And I think that everyone would agree that something that's like Orion is the future if we can get there.

Yeah, I was listening to Upgrade, and they had a really good turn of phrase for it, which I've already forgotten. But they were saying another thing that this might accomplish is kind of like reverse Osborne-ing anything that Apple's doing, right? Because now it's like, look, the Vision Pro is lame because you've got to put this thing on that keeps you away from the world.

Yeah, I was listening to Upgrade, and they had a really good turn of phrase for it, which I've already forgotten. But they were saying another thing that this might accomplish is kind of like reverse Osborne-ing anything that Apple's doing, right? Because now it's like, look, the Vision Pro is lame because you've got to put this thing on that keeps you away from the world.

All right, the other bit of breaking news over the last few days is that Google will, I'm a little fuzzy on the details here, but apparently you can point Notebook LM, which is I think a pre-existing product of theirs that I was not previously familiar with. And you can, I guess it's like a data management thing or like a knowledge management thing.

All right, the other bit of breaking news over the last few days is that Google will, I'm a little fuzzy on the details here, but apparently you can point Notebook LM, which is I think a pre-existing product of theirs that I was not previously familiar with. And you can, I guess it's like a data management thing or like a knowledge management thing.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Yeah, I very much agree. When I heard the one that somebody had done, I forgot, we'll put a link in the show notes, but somebody had done one of these about a subject that I knew nothing about, and I only listened to the first couple minutes, and I was gobsmacked by how real it sounded. And yes,

Yeah, I very much agree. When I heard the one that somebody had done, I forgot, we'll put a link in the show notes, but somebody had done one of these about a subject that I knew nothing about, and I only listened to the first couple minutes, and I was gobsmacked by how real it sounded. And yes,

If you really pay attention and if you really listen, if you do active listening or whatever, you can tell that it's probably not real. But note that I said probably because genuinely, if I didn't know that I was listening to AI, I would have thought that these were typical but not terribly skilled podcasters.

If you really pay attention and if you really listen, if you do active listening or whatever, you can tell that it's probably not real. But note that I said probably because genuinely, if I didn't know that I was listening to AI, I would have thought that these were typical but not terribly skilled podcasters.

And the ums and the inflections, or maybe they weren't ums, but the inflections in the- There are ums.

And the ums and the inflections, or maybe they weren't ums, but the inflections in the- There are ums.

There you go. And there's not – it's not just monotone, right? And they play off each other well, and it sounds real, certainly at a glance. And I would argue, unless you're really, really, really paying attention, it sounds real. I was stunned at how real it sounds. I could not – and I still can't believe it.

There you go. And there's not – it's not just monotone, right? And they play off each other well, and it sounds real, certainly at a glance. And I would argue, unless you're really, really, really paying attention, it sounds real. I was stunned at how real it sounds. I could not – and I still can't believe it.

You're so miserable.