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Casey Newton

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

My clients had the nerve to go on and succeed without him.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Mr. Musk did not like that.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

They have also been pointing out that

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Elon had also wanted to make OpenAI have a for-profit subsidiary back when he was with the company and that he's just mad that he didn't get to control it.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Right.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

He also wanted to fold OpenAI into Tesla.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

That was revealed in some of these emails.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Tesla, of course, being a for-profit company.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

So it seems like this is not exactly a consistent and principled stand.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

But Casey, what are the stakes here?

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Like if Elon Musk does manage to convince a jury that this was a case of OpenAI looting a nonprofit for its own commercial gain, like

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

What could the remedies be?

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Could this be fatal for OpenAI?

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Or is this just sort of an attempt to slow them down and distract them with a big trial?

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

Yeah.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

I think the lawsuit and this ongoing litigation between Elon Musk and OpenAI has been very distracting for OpenAI.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

But as a journalist and as a person who wants to know more about the inner workings of how these companies run, I think it's been actually very valuable for a lot of these emails and early communications between OpenAI leaders to be released as part of this litigation.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

I have found it very useful in understanding some of the early dynamics at OpenAI.

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

And it also just illustrates the degree to which these projects are all just sort of fueled by grudges, right?

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OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

There's sort of one level of interpretation, which is like all of these people are just like obsessed with building the machine god and that this is all sort of related to their visions of the future.