Casey Newton

We should also disclose that we both use Google.

Sundar Pichai, welcome back to Hard Fork.

Thanks for having me.

Great to be here.

So the last time we had you on the show was in 2023.

BARD, RIP, had just come out.

And I think at the time, the perception was that Google was catching up in AI.

How are you feeling about your position in the race these days?

It seems like one thing that some of the AI companies are succeeding at is focus.

Just, you know, Anthropic and OpenAI have this sort of relentless focus on coding.

OpenAI was criticized last year for sort of spreading their bets too thin, trying to do too many things all at once.

They've now sort of tightened that.

Do you feel like Google is appropriately focused on coding?

Or are all the other bets you're making taking away resources and time and focus from the main push?

Yeah.

Another thing that got a lot of attention this week was the changes that you all made to the search bar and the sort of front door of Google, the biggest change in 25 years.

I think a lot of people expect that at some point the kind of normal Google sort of classic search interface goes away.

The 10 blue links maybe go away and you just kind of have this AI mode as the default.

But you haven't sort of done that yet.

There's a lot of integration, but it's still you still can get the 10 blue links if you want them.