Casey Newton
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took this AI overview experience that they've been testing. They've now rolled it out across the United States. By the end of the year, they say a billion people around the world are going to have it. So it's gone from this very small test to now a billion people are going to have it by December. And
took this AI overview experience that they've been testing. They've now rolled it out across the United States. By the end of the year, they say a billion people around the world are going to have it. So it's gone from this very small test to now a billion people are going to have it by December. And
took this AI overview experience that they've been testing. They've now rolled it out across the United States. By the end of the year, they say a billion people around the world are going to have it. So it's gone from this very small test to now a billion people are going to have it by December. And
Once that happens, if people are really losing 20 to 40% of their traffic, we're just going to see so many more publications go out of business. Last year, a bunch of publications went out of business. BuzzFeed News, Vice as we know it, The New Gawker, Protocol, sites that just kind of disappeared.
Once that happens, if people are really losing 20 to 40% of their traffic, we're just going to see so many more publications go out of business. Last year, a bunch of publications went out of business. BuzzFeed News, Vice as we know it, The New Gawker, Protocol, sites that just kind of disappeared.
Once that happens, if people are really losing 20 to 40% of their traffic, we're just going to see so many more publications go out of business. Last year, a bunch of publications went out of business. BuzzFeed News, Vice as we know it, The New Gawker, Protocol, sites that just kind of disappeared.
And when I think about the few and the proud big publishers that remain, if you walked into any of their C-suites and were like, what's your plan to have 40% less traffic by December? I don't think anybody has a really good plan for that.
And when I think about the few and the proud big publishers that remain, if you walked into any of their C-suites and were like, what's your plan to have 40% less traffic by December? I don't think anybody has a really good plan for that.
And when I think about the few and the proud big publishers that remain, if you walked into any of their C-suites and were like, what's your plan to have 40% less traffic by December? I don't think anybody has a really good plan for that.
So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.
So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.
So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.
The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.
The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.
The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.
And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.
And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.
And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.
But of course, all of the big tech companies are just making the bet that courts are going to side with the big corporations here and the publishers are going to be out of luck.
But of course, all of the big tech companies are just making the bet that courts are going to side with the big corporations here and the publishers are going to be out of luck.