Cassie McCullagh

Having said that, it's not filmic and it doesn't feel like a play, which is often the case with playwrights where you could sort of see it as set pieces.

And sometimes you're too scared to take the photograph.

There's one character who becomes quite obsessed with the wolf and sort of fearful of it, thinks that he really should shoot the wolf.

And he does, he goes out searching for the wolf.

He sees the wolf and he's too scared to pick up his camera.

So that also works as a sort of photographic moment, doesn't it?

There is a lot of space on the page.

Roland Schimmelfennig's One Clear Ice Cold January Morning at the Beginning of the 21st Century is published by Mackelhouse Press, which is connected to Quercus.

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