Cassie McCullough

But I do love it.

Doesn't he turn up at like some sort of concert that doesn't exist or something like that?

Yeah, that's right, yeah.

which to me is just like, yeah, I think it's exactly what you're saying.

I think it's exactly that whole, you know, this is what it feels like when you're a very successful author who everyone wants a piece of and you're just like, just, you know, give me a break for a minute.

An aversion.

You'd love it.

It's about a penis.

It's nothing even similar.

No relation.

Interaction meetings, yeah.

Yeah, it's called the interaction meeting, which is probably also one of the most uncomfortable scenes in the book, I think.

Well, I think it particularly, once Josie brings Clara home, we start to get these glimpses into Clara will notice a slight limp or she'll notice, you know, shortness of breath or those sort of, and it becomes apparent quite quickly.

It's not a slow reveal, but it's, you know, it's a gentle reveal, I suppose, that she's clearly sick.

And you learn that also from interactions from, she has a friend from next door, a boy called Rick, who kind of also helped explain it to Clara.

But particularly with Clara's interactions with the mother, with Josie's mother, they're almost creepy in that, I think her name's Chrissy, the mother, that Chrissy asks Clara to,

to observe and mimic Josie and requires those impressions to include the frailties.

And you sort of see that her weakness portrayed through Clara's impressions of her.

And so it becomes ever more apparent that Josie is declining.

And you also learn that this is the thing about the children who are lifted.