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Catherine Rampell

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

That's the correct intuition. And Trump is apparently about to find that out. Because again, he was not anticipating this. He had been bragging, I think even as recently as yesterday or the day before, he's like, see, we're getting interest rates go down. And it's like... look at the chart, chart not match words, which is quite a common phenomenon, obviously, for Donald Trump.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

That's the correct intuition. And Trump is apparently about to find that out. Because again, he was not anticipating this. He had been bragging, I think even as recently as yesterday or the day before, he's like, see, we're getting interest rates go down. And it's like... look at the chart, chart not match words, which is quite a common phenomenon, obviously, for Donald Trump.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

That's the correct intuition. And Trump is apparently about to find that out. Because again, he was not anticipating this. He had been bragging, I think even as recently as yesterday or the day before, he's like, see, we're getting interest rates go down. And it's like... look at the chart, chart not match words, which is quite a common phenomenon, obviously, for Donald Trump.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

But it's really hard to lie about these things. I saw this great quote the other day from an economist at JP Morgan, of all places, who was saying that the thing about the stock market is Is that it can't be bullied, intimidated, deported, primaried in the next election or otherwise censored. Right. Like Trump has no power here to get it to to. you know, confess the outcome that he wants.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

But it's really hard to lie about these things. I saw this great quote the other day from an economist at JP Morgan, of all places, who was saying that the thing about the stock market is Is that it can't be bullied, intimidated, deported, primaried in the next election or otherwise censored. Right. Like Trump has no power here to get it to to. you know, confess the outcome that he wants.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

But it's really hard to lie about these things. I saw this great quote the other day from an economist at JP Morgan, of all places, who was saying that the thing about the stock market is Is that it can't be bullied, intimidated, deported, primaried in the next election or otherwise censored. Right. Like Trump has no power here to get it to to. you know, confess the outcome that he wants.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

And it's like a real-time voting box, essentially. Sometimes it gets it wrong and sometimes it gets it right. But at least in real time, you know, Trump can't force it to do what he wants. And now we're getting real information out of the stock market, which is obviously contradictory to the happy talk we're hearing from the White House.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

And it's like a real-time voting box, essentially. Sometimes it gets it wrong and sometimes it gets it right. But at least in real time, you know, Trump can't force it to do what he wants. And now we're getting real information out of the stock market, which is obviously contradictory to the happy talk we're hearing from the White House.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

And it's like a real-time voting box, essentially. Sometimes it gets it wrong and sometimes it gets it right. But at least in real time, you know, Trump can't force it to do what he wants. And now we're getting real information out of the stock market, which is obviously contradictory to the happy talk we're hearing from the White House.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Yeah, I saw bits and pieces of this a few days ago, and I needed a special decoder ring to figure out what the origin of the crazy was. I feel this way with a lot of Trump-related talk, that he'll say something that's totally confusing, and then I end up spending way more time trying to figure out what his logic or intention was than he spent putting thought into what his proposal actually was.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Yeah, I saw bits and pieces of this a few days ago, and I needed a special decoder ring to figure out what the origin of the crazy was. I feel this way with a lot of Trump-related talk, that he'll say something that's totally confusing, and then I end up spending way more time trying to figure out what his logic or intention was than he spent putting thought into what his proposal actually was.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Yeah, I saw bits and pieces of this a few days ago, and I needed a special decoder ring to figure out what the origin of the crazy was. I feel this way with a lot of Trump-related talk, that he'll say something that's totally confusing, and then I end up spending way more time trying to figure out what his logic or intention was than he spent putting thought into what his proposal actually was.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

I used to have a rule for myself. It's like, Don't spend more time thinking through the thing that Trump said than he did because it's like an exercise in frustration and futility. In this case, yeah, I think what people are proposing is, again, that if Trump tanks the stock market, then bond rates go down, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

I used to have a rule for myself. It's like, Don't spend more time thinking through the thing that Trump said than he did because it's like an exercise in frustration and futility. In this case, yeah, I think what people are proposing is, again, that if Trump tanks the stock market, then bond rates go down, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

I used to have a rule for myself. It's like, Don't spend more time thinking through the thing that Trump said than he did because it's like an exercise in frustration and futility. In this case, yeah, I think what people are proposing is, again, that if Trump tanks the stock market, then bond rates go down, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Which is what I was saying, like, very initially happened and normally what you would expect to happen because people sell their stocks, again, they put it into bonds, and then that pushes bond rates down. And then maybe...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Which is what I was saying, like, very initially happened and normally what you would expect to happen because people sell their stocks, again, they put it into bonds, and then that pushes bond rates down. And then maybe...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

Which is what I was saying, like, very initially happened and normally what you would expect to happen because people sell their stocks, again, they put it into bonds, and then that pushes bond rates down. And then maybe...

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

because we're talking about government borrowing, when those interest rates go down, we can refinance the national debt, just like Donald Trump would refinance one of his properties, right? If you're a real estate investor or a homeowner, for that matter, and you're borrowed at a very high interest rate. You're excited when rates fall because you can refinance.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1017: Catherine Rampell: Trump's Tariffmageddon

because we're talking about government borrowing, when those interest rates go down, we can refinance the national debt, just like Donald Trump would refinance one of his properties, right? If you're a real estate investor or a homeowner, for that matter, and you're borrowed at a very high interest rate. You're excited when rates fall because you can refinance.