Catie Edmondson

And then you have Senate Democrats who essentially hear Schumer's call and say, thank you very much. I will be voting against this bill and post videos on social media saying that.

And then you have Senate Democrats who essentially hear Schumer's call and say, thank you very much. I will be voting against this bill and post videos on social media saying that.

I'm voting no.

I'm voting no.

That's right. And then you have kind of the cherry on top, which is when Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, comes back to Washington and gives that press conference in which he refuses to say whether or not he has confidence in Schumer's leadership.

That's right. And then you have kind of the cherry on top, which is when Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, comes back to Washington and gives that press conference in which he refuses to say whether or not he has confidence in Schumer's leadership.

By Friday evening, when Schumer actually has to take this vote out on the floor to allow this spending bill to pass, that in fact only nine other members of the Democratic caucus vote to join him. And so you have a very stark split screen in which a majority of his caucus actually votes to block the spending bill, votes against his decision.

By Friday evening, when Schumer actually has to take this vote out on the floor to allow this spending bill to pass, that in fact only nine other members of the Democratic caucus vote to join him. And so you have a very stark split screen in which a majority of his caucus actually votes to block the spending bill, votes against his decision.

That's right. And look, I do want to say in the Senate, just based off of some of the private conversations I was having with Democrats, I do think there were a number of them who sort of the old adage is vote no, hope yes, hoping that there would not be a shutdown, but knew that their constituents, their voters wanted to see them putting up a good fight against Trump.

That's right. And look, I do want to say in the Senate, just based off of some of the private conversations I was having with Democrats, I do think there were a number of them who sort of the old adage is vote no, hope yes, hoping that there would not be a shutdown, but knew that their constituents, their voters wanted to see them putting up a good fight against Trump.

But I think the bottom line is elsewhere in the Democratic Party, off of the Hill, over in the House, you see some real rage directed here at Senator Schumer. I can't tell you how many Democratic lawmakers I've spoken to who have said that since the vote, they have had calls from their constituents saying, you know, what are you doing?

But I think the bottom line is elsewhere in the Democratic Party, off of the Hill, over in the House, you see some real rage directed here at Senator Schumer. I can't tell you how many Democratic lawmakers I've spoken to who have said that since the vote, they have had calls from their constituents saying, you know, what are you doing?

If this is how Trump's government is going to run, we'd really rather you shut it down. Yeah.

If this is how Trump's government is going to run, we'd really rather you shut it down. Yeah.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, I think this is going to be the defining question for the Democratic Party in the next weeks and months to come. I don't know how it plays out, but what I do know is that there is a very visceral, real level of anger from the Democratic base right now. It's actually, I think, more akin to some of the moments we've seen in the past from the Republican grassroots.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, I think this is going to be the defining question for the Democratic Party in the next weeks and months to come. I don't know how it plays out, but what I do know is that there is a very visceral, real level of anger from the Democratic base right now. It's actually, I think, more akin to some of the moments we've seen in the past from the Republican grassroots.

And so I think that's in part why this is such a startling moment for Democratic officials. I mean, they're not used to this from their voters, particularly on this issue. And I think they're still trying to figure out exactly how to deal with it.

And so I think that's in part why this is such a startling moment for Democratic officials. I mean, they're not used to this from their voters, particularly on this issue. And I think they're still trying to figure out exactly how to deal with it.

Thanks, Michael.

Thanks, Michael.