Chad

you know, reason why potentially you can still put Astralis ahead of them.

I mean, there was even another threat today.

Yeah, I just think with the fact that Vitality hasn't changed the way the game is played, they're only playing it better than anyone else by a significant margin.

Using that as a sort of a knock on them just tells you how deep we have to dig to sort of find something to say where they're not ahead of the Astralis.

Yeah, it's not the correct term, but you know what I'm getting at.

Vitality is almost like Astralis Pro Max.

They're doing everything Astralis did, just better.

I mean, look at, okay, it's easy to talk about Zyvo and how good he is and what Robs brings to the table, right?

But the utility usage as well.

I mean, Apex, you know, on Inferno, the stuff he does with Nate, the way they have, in a sense, revolutionized the way you play Banana and all the different ways they have of countering those Banana takes from...

The tease, you know, be on Inferno for Vitality is Apex and Flamesy.

There's no Robs there, there's no Zywo there.

Sure, Zywo sometimes goes over as the third guy or he brings the AWP out there and maybe that doesn't hold the same weight, that sentence, with how Flamesy has been playing this year.

He's been absolutely lights out.

But, you know, my point was there's no superstars on that side of the map.

And yet it's a really, obviously there's a lot of action is happening and they've been able to, you know, do a great job of controlling that area of the map through utility usage, team play, understanding, you know, how to stifle their opponents.

I think at that point, there's no more debate.

I think then the body of work is enough.

And honestly, it does feel like just...

a matter of time really in a way with how again the season is shaping up and everything sure there's always a possibility that they might stumble and have an off day you know in the quarter final of a major and lose to someone it's not impossible like even great teams can have bad days Astralis did as well in their heyday but then again there's also a second major of the year they're definitely not going to be making any changes anytime soon