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Chamath Palihapitiya

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

I mean, if...

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

power generation were easier, there wouldn't need to be a limit on what the data centers could use.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

They could just bring their own power.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

So that is the obvious solution here.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

And it's good to see Microsoft make this pledge and sort of formalize that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

I think all the other hyperscalers will do that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

Again, it was never part of their plan, I think, to draw on

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

the grid for their power needs.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

They always, I think, understood that they'd have to stand up for their own power.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

And the issue is just regulations getting in the way of that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

And just one final point on this is that there are a bunch of regulations by FERC, for example,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

that interfere with the ability to do co-location.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

Co-location is when you put a data center and the power generation next to each other, or you do them together.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

And Chris Wright, the Secretary of Energy, has directed FERC to make a bunch of changes to make behind the meter and co-location easier so that these data centers can stand up to their own power.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

And the only reason that hasn't happened is just because of the usual bureaucratic delays, but that is well on its way to happening.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

Does that make sense?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

The modern cooling systems, these data centers, the water recirculates and transports the heat out of the data center.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

So it's not like the water is used up.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

I guess there's a separate type of evaporative cooling that does use up some water, but modern data centers don't use that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Iran's Breaking Point, Trump's Greenland Acquisition, Solving Energy Costs, Billionaire Tax Backlash

So the water issue is really a total hoax, and it's really kind of a sub-hoax of this larger affordability issue.