Chantal Hebert

And then you think...

Well, these energy executives and those conservative MPs, they have no reason to stay within the tent and not shoot inside the tent and tell Mark Carney, get on with it.

There are good deals for us.

If you were going to identify one industry and one province that has a real interest in getting along because it might work, it would be Alberta and the energy industry.

and the Conservative Party that has its base there.

So you kind of play nice to industries that are more likely to disagree with the Canadian approach and more likely to say, let's get a deal.

Kuzma might not work out.

The auto industry might not do better.

We might not get what we want.

But in exchange, we can get better deals on energy.

You approve a pipeline between Alberta and Keystone XL or parts of it that Alberta has long wanted to the U.S.

So I think that...

Part of what's happening is people from the US administration and on the trade file, they're not bypassing Canada, but they are playing with Mark Carney's head on this and by doing what they do, which to me sounds totally logical from where they come from.

It's going to be incumbent on the prime minister not just to say, I'm the one who speaks for Canada.

He's going to have to find a way to keep...

these interests under the tent and up to a point, Pierre Poiliev's weakness is going to be a problem for Mark Carney on that score because he cannot count on Pierre Poiliev having enough authority anymore on his own party, his own members, to kind of keep the caucus and the party from drawing outside the lines on this issue.

Actually, we're not.

Because what Bruce is saying about the Canadian position, I totally agree with.

My point was about where the Americans are up to.

And if there are two weaknesses for any prime minister in trying to keep Canada united in difficulties, it's Quebec and Alberta.