Charlene Von Sayer

And Peter and I started to go through them.

And

Yeah, that's where I saw some of the correspondence and the dealings that had gone on.

And I think that is when I officially knew things were not, you know, taken care of properly after the war and that my family was not treated properly.

I felt a little bit like an investigator.

And Peter, who was an investigative journalist, we got to a point where we said, we can't keep doing this.

Let's take what we have and let's move on.

You know, let's go home.

Let's come up with a plan on next steps.

So we went, my mom and I went back to Holland and

We interviewed some attorneys, and one of them laughed at us and said, you will never get anything back that the Dutch government possesses now.

Like, don't waste your time.

But then we did find some attorneys that were great.

I think we met at the Dutch consulate.

They told us not to bring our attorney.

They flew all the way to New York to discourage us from pursuing our claim and told us not to bring an attorney, but brought their attorney.

It was just very odd.

And I think at that moment, we kind of realized they were scared and it almost really fueled the fire.

That first painting coming back sort of set the stage.

It sort of made everything become a reality.