Charles Holmes

So the part you're talking about, the rebellion being in disarray, I think that's the theme of the three episodes. Obviously, Cassian, they have that whole, like, little civil war in the jungle. Mon Mothma with Tay and Skulden, right, with Luthen. Like, we're going to talk about it more later, but I really love that part because Luthen is so ruthless.

Luthen's looking like Tay, like, he kind of feels like he's not.

Like, he's like, yeah, Tay looking a little shaky. Altay was like, I might need a little bit more break. He's like, eh, that's enough. Get that guy out of there.

And then you go to Ferex, or not Ferex, the people that we met on Ferex in season one. And they're kind of just like, I mean, life's not the worst. But when the Imperials are always coming around, you never feel safe, right? You always have to, oh, we got to get these fake key cards or whatever. The rebellion, as we know it right now, is in complete shambles.

And so this was a great three episodes. This is not the rebellion that we thought we fall in love with in the first trilogy. This is not the rebellion we see in Rogue One. These are just a bunch of people with like a chicken without a head just running around making things happen.

I thought the judge position... But the beginning of the episode, with him talking to her about what it means to be rebellion, being so confident, being so prepared, like, yo, you got this. Don't worry. Don't let your fear control you. Fear is what gives you power over them, right? Boom. Then he gets in the plane, looks like a complete idiot. He hasn't quite figured it out yet.

He's got some things down, right? But he quite hasn't got the spy escaping part of it figured out. I thought that was like a little fun juxtaposition. He's not quite the Andor that we know in Rogue One just quite yet.

A year.

I knew it. Not only that, when they're at the end of episode three, he's like, baby, I'm going to come back. You never say that. You will never say that. It's over. I'll do my best.

It's a destination wedding. It's an African wedding, really, man. It was going on. Oh. Yeah, man. Well, I mean, we don't do hikes, but you know what I'm saying? It's like a whole bunch of festivities, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Do they do that weird stick thing that they did? We don't do it. Africans play with sticks.

Well, Kayla is way worse. Luthen's like, let's do what we got to do. It's not ideal, obviously, right? But Kayla's like, I can't work here. I can't do this.

I love her.

Fuck this place. Her and Val keep making googly eyes at each other, man. They need to chill out. There's something happening. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Well, remember, Cinta's whole thing is the mission comes first. Right? I do like you. It's cool. But I got a job to do. And I'm just going to take president over everything. Also, if she wanted to, she would. Kind of a mentality.

You think so? I want to see him touch six hours. I mean, I'm taking the under confidently, but it's going to be like four hours. I think it's going to be three plus hours, maybe four.

I was like, hey.

Jizz. Jizz jazz? It's called jizz. Yeah, jizz. It's called jizz. It's called jizz. That's canon. All right. The guys in the cantina, they're called jizz whalers.

So I'm not going to say anything. I thought the interesting thing about the Mothmama stuff, these three episodes, was almost every conversation. Mothmama. Mothmama. Mothmama. Go ahead. Mothmama. Mothmama. Every single conversation, like almost every single conversation she had was kind of like a wink and a nod to something else. Because Tay would come in and be like,

Yeah, man, this place looking nice, man. It's real cool, man. Imagine if, you know, we could share that wealth or something over there. It's an ice cube scene.

But I think we're going to put literally three and a half hours on three-hour pods. What podcast are you guys on?

All Tay was doing was making trouble. Making trouble. Lutheran comes in, like, when they first talk, it's like, wow, what a surprise. It's like, yeah, you know, you can't avoid these things. Like, every conversation was subtext for what's actually going on with the money, with the rebellion, the whole thing. I get why my mom was like, hey, let me get these shots, bro. This is too much.

I think, well, the Kalkite, I mean, so the thing about Krennic, who I love to see again, you know, going to build a Star Wars, mate. I love it. They need the Kalkite specifically. Because I assume Dead Star stuff, right? Yeah. And so it only...

They have the spiders, which is supposed to be there, the Gormans' one true necessity or the thing that is the most unique thing about the planet, but it's not. It's the Kalkite. The problem is, mining the Kalkite would destroy the planet, and the people probably won't go for that.

So you have to figure out a way to get these people either off the planet or kill them or whatever to get the Kalkite for the Death Star. That's the plan. It's not really like a... the Empire's fault as much as it's just like... But I think

They have to sort of trick them out of their position. And this was like, it was too real watching those two guys go like, all right, here's what we do, you know? Again, they don't have social media out there, but basically we go on Twitter, we get bots. We have people talk about how bad the Gormans are, this and that, and the rebellions and this and that, and people come to hate the Gormans.

Then we can come in, act like we're out here trying to save the planet, and we can get our stuff. I was like, that's too much.

I'm not going to lie to you. I forgot she was in this show. Deirdre? Yeah. And so when they patted over her on the table, I was like, oh, man.

Yeah, but it's not. The interesting thing, and I just thought about this now, is that... Because we have the whole thing with Cyril and Deidre, which is gross, by the way.

I was just like, I love them together. I loved it. They're both gross people. I am wondering what his purpose in the show is. Here's what it is. I think it's to humanize Deidre a little bit. Interesting. So that when she's like, actually, I don't want to kill all these people on this planet. We're like, oh, because you have Cyril at home. You have something to lose.

In season one, her whole thing was, I have to go... She was torturing everybody, just a terrible, terrible human being. She was willing to do whatever it took to get to her mission, right? Now she's got somebody at home, Cyril, come home to, you know, brought the mom over. And she was like, hey, he's going to call you every week, visits twice a month.

But all of that depends on how you treat me, how you treat him. All right? It goes up and down.

Probably not. Probably not. But like, hey, guys, we got to come to a peaceful resolution. I'll tell you.

That's it. So this is what happens. Now, but then it's going to be like, hey, man, what you think? This is what happens.

Yeah, I came up out here, man. You know, you start from the bottom, man. You know, you working hard. You get to where I'm at. Little management.

The original Fantastic Four.

This is what war is since the start of mankind. Yeah, I think the thing that made the biggest impression on me was, again, she's like Cassian, Cassian, Cassian. But in that moment, Cassian's not there. She saves herself, right? She uses the hammer. She kills that guy. And I think that is the thing that I was like, okay. She did it herself.

Yeah. There's no man to come save her. She handled that herself. I think that's the thing that like, when I seen that scene, I'm like, I understand.

I mean, also I was going to, Oh, to Van's point, like you have to show how bad the empire is. And I think, Season one and these first two episodes are just like, these are the worst people ever. This is the worst group of people.

You could, yeah. They could do it poorly, but I think Tony Guerrero has... such a hand on the material and what the story is trying to tell. So like, again, watching that scene, it's, it's, it's very, very uncomfortable, but it's like, this is what people like empires do. Some people who think that they're above everything. This is what they do.

Tough.

One guy doesn't get his job done. How's the other guy get his job done? My nitpick, it's really, really small. It's really tiny. But I got to see Brazzo get shot, bro. Yeah. Because the last time we see him, he's ducking the lasers. I'm like, all right, my guy good. And then we look up and he's gone. I'm like, yo. But you do see the one story trooper.

I see him, but I'm just thinking like, oh, he just shooting. You know what I mean? Like, he just, you know what I'm saying? It's a cool... I'm like, oh, that's a cool shot. That looks cool.

Yeah, not like an actual nitpick, but I was just like... I'm thinking, like, oh, man, he might have just hit the speeder. My man Good gets down there. Brazos, man, wake up, Brazos. We got to go. We got to go, Brazos. I'm like, no. And then they go back to the TIE fighter, and he looks at Bix. Hey, where's Brazos?

Like, brah.

Oh, Kelly. Since you've been gone.

Bro, she has. Since you've been gone, Breakaway, and I forget the name. Miss Independent. Breakaway is crazy. No, no, no. She got like three. She's got hits, bro. In a row on her first album. I was like, yo.

Oh, yeah. No, but you're not talking about race. We love Henry Williams on this side, bro.

I think so.

Because it starts at four BBY. If we're doing a year... The next three is three. Then the next one is two. So... then we have one baby wine. Then we're locked in.

I think it's going to be like Succession, where you don't know when things are happening. They're just going to be talking.

I mean, my husband is away. I think she's referring to Cassian. No, wait. She could just be saying that. Maybe, yeah. I think she was saying, like... Get a creep off her back. But, yes, you're correct. But when you... Picture who she's... Do you think she's talking about? Cassian.

That's what I was saying. Because if it goes weekly, you watch episode two, you're kind of like, what was that? All right, man. That's what I was saying. It was too much time with the slapdicks. Yeah. It's just like, what's going on? So I think to your point, you're correct. I'm releasing...

the episodes of three matches Charles made the point but yeah my fault yeah my fault OG just making sure Charles made the point my question and I was learning this it's kind of sad I'm not going to lie to you where are the rebels man like I'm talking about like Kanan Ezra Sabine like they're around right

yeah at this point and not the i'll be very clear i don't need him in the show i don't yeah no we actually can you what's going on i don't know i have a i have a thing what's going on i just think it's funny uh-huh that's wow and cassie and them are doing their thing on this side there's another cell at the on the other side of the the galaxy with uh caden and hella uh oh my god um

Kanan and Sabine and Ezra.

I just think it's interesting that you say that because Tony Guero is famously like, all this Star Wars nonsense, hokey pokey, like, who cares? Right? I'm here to tell a story. Forget about all the magic swords and all the lore and all that stuff. I'm just here to tell a grounded, serious story about rebels in fighting a rebellion. And...

Again, the magic of at least the first season, these three episodes, is that you still have the, oh, the Death Star, Krennic, all these little, like, you know, eye candy things that pop. And yes, there is a lot of, there is a lot of, there's a lot of, like, new stuff we're learning every episode that they're throwing at us.

But the thing that makes it all come together is that we can see real life in these stories. Again, with the propaganda, with the empire. These are things that we've been watching on TV, we've been reading in books, seeing in media for years. None of it is brand new or the first time we're seeing it in a galaxy far, far away. And it's like...

I legitimately think her thing is to invoke another Star Wars property. I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Rest in peace, Solo, bro.

Stop wasting time.

Sixth Midnight Boy. No, you said, no, you made the declaration. Oh, my gosh. Together we are the Midnight Boys.

A lot of fun stuff coming this month, Last of Us, and or obviously, tap in. Well, you know what? Uh-oh. Social's been going crazy, bro.

I'm like.

Mm-hmm.

Whoa!

We don't know that.

I'm so sorry. We don't know.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But see, that's the thing. That's the thing. But that's the thing. You don't have to do this.

You know what I'm saying?

DVD-VCR combo.

Steve! Steve, I wasn't familiar with your dance. Steve, that's what I'm talking about.

He knows, too.

Yeah.

I'm dying immediately. No, no, no. Jomie's the... He would have... I couldn't agree more. Excuse me? Jomie for sure is breaking back. I'm not running from zombies.

She gonna have to be.

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