Charles Liu

It's like, oh, no, it flies so quietly you can't tell.

And you can keep telling you that there is a thing that exists there, but I keep telling you why you can't prove that it's there.

Is it actually there?

In that case, this is an attempt to obfuscate or to prevent you from actually learning reality.

You're exactly right, Matt.

And we laugh to some extent, right?

You can pray on them in your comedy shows, right?

And you make people laugh at themselves, at the kinds of things that we hold in our bodies that are not physics, that are not scientific, and yet they rule our lives.

And so there is nothing wrong with something that's unscientific, right?

Like a ghost idea or a monster idea.

It's only when you are trying to use that in a negative way or to control or to be otherwise whatever negative toward people that those monsters become truly monstrous.

But it would have to have agency.

When we first thought of black holes, we thought that they were like...

you know, ooh, scary.

But now it's just like, oh, it's a monster like Cookie, right?

Yeah.

Don't lift a lid.

You'll get eaten.

But there's a litany of science fiction stories, movies, books, novels, et cetera, that had black holes as evil, scary places for a long, long time.

And then now they're benign.