Charles Liu

Actually, that's the point, right?

Right now, research in things like consciousness and quantum awareness and things like that are dependent on the fact that we don't want people to die as a result of that.

And people have tried to make these experiments.

More than 100 years ago, for example, there were some experiments about people who were about to die and they were willing to be subjects of an experiment.

They were carefully weighed.

Neil, you know this better than I do.

I'll just say one thing about that, and I'd love to hear everybody else's opinions on this, but here's my take on that, Chuck.

Go ahead.

Your idea of that sort of thing, talking about afterlife and things like that, has been the basis of just about every apocalyptic cult or evangelical religion where you are going to be saved or that you are heading on to better things.

Something like that, right.

So the idea for that one is that if current life is worth living, if you feel good about your life right now, then looking for an afterlife is kind of like a bummer.

But if current life sucks, in your personal opinion, maybe you want to be delivered somewhere else, right?

This has become...

In so many different religions.

I'm not actually the religion expert in my family.

My eldest daughter actually studied religion in school.

But the bottom line, oh, again, the bottom line thing there for there is that this idea of the afterlife has been used by organized religions.

Co-opted, I would say.

Yeah, to do anything, right?

The caste system.