Charlie Harding

Is that something that you all are checking in on in your gut in the room or are you whiteboarding?

It's both.

do this yeah i think about um i know like the songwriter dan wilson has this amazing deck of cards they're like tools for effective songwriting and collaboration and a lot of them are like do the improv thing like yes and just like keep going yeah what's really different about a long-term relationship is like you know each other on every level you've probably had every kind of conversation so just curious at this stage when there is something that difficult that needs to be said

How do you approach that?

You know, you were saying there is some vulnerability and needing some some support, but also needing to push at the same time.

So how do you all approach that?

We can't have closeness without some conflict.

Yeah.

And learning to navigate it, I think, is always the sign of a healthy relationship.

Yeah.

I'd like to target a production question to you, Naomi, about Dancing on the Wall.

Sure.

Though bright 80s sounds, which are invoking this whole sort of political identity.

Sure.

They're there, but there's also a whole lot of other contemporary things poking through.

Sure.

Can you take me to the bridge?

It's an awesome moment.

What does it do for you and for the song?

It almost does that thing of like, because it is a dance floor song, it's almost like the bridge is like the transition in between two other songs you experience on the dance floor.