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Charlie Savage

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
415 total appearances

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The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And so the precursor to this eruption of violence in the Caribbean Sea is that several months ago,

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

After the Trump II administration came into office, it began designating drug cartels and Latin American gangs as foreign terrorist organizations.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And that had never been done before.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Because these are not groups that are motivated by religion or politics.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

They are groups that are motivated by the pursuit of illicit profit.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Right.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It's a major escalation.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And these are not what we think of as terrorists.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And they're not actually trying to kill Americans with their products, even though that clearly does happen, especially with fentanyl.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

They want people to keep buying their product, and therefore they don't prefer to kill them.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

That is not to say that these are good people.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

These are obviously not moral, upstanding people who are making positive contributions to human society.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

No, and this is part of what is fundamentally a disconnect here with the extent to which the administration has offered any kind of legal theory.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

They have suggested that the act by the executive branch of designating an organization as a foreign terrorist group

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

brings with it legal authority to attack that group militarily.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And it's just not true as a description of legal reality.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

That authority is limited to imposing economic sanctions, freezing accounts, making it a crime to provide material support to such an organization.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It does not come with the authority to attack them as if it were a war.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And I think it's worth pausing here to recall, since we've had 20, 25 years of a war on terror now, what that really is.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

which is that after 9-11, Congress enacted a broad authorization for the use of military force against essentially al-Qaeda in countries that harbored al-Qaeda, which meant the Taliban in Afghanistan.