Charlie Songhurst

So it's a two-part question.

One is the virtues, which is working with people you like, working on amazing problems and having impact.

And then the three vices, power, money, and fame.

And you can't avoid them.

They have to be stacked separately.

And it's really trying to get at the differences between

There's no good answer, but there are definite good fit answers.

So someone who's interested in power tends to be better at execution.

Someone who's more interested in money tends to think more about some capital efficiency.

I tend to avoid people interested in fame.

But if you were doing something in showbiz, it would presumably be the number one criteria.

If you think about the difference between sort of impact, intellectual interest, working with people, you really get impression of where people are going to be happy and where they're not going to be happy.

You also start to understand why certain organizations do so well.

So SpaceX, if you think about it, stacks high on all three.

It's intellectually interesting.

You're working with amazing people.

You have huge utilitarian impact in the world.

Whereas if you're working in fintech, you're less likely to sort of have that utilitarian positive impact.

A lot of people have negative utility from fame.

A lot of people start with power, and then when you push them, it's actually money, but they don't want to say it.