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Charlie Songhurst

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

the wisest prospector with the best maps and the most intelligent strategy sometimes just won't find it, and someone will just fall asleep, put the pan in a stream, and gold will come out.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

There really is a real nexus of serendipity at this stage.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

Then when you move to Series A, it's really all about labor productivity, but in a different form.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

It's, can the manager

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And one of the fallacies is most early stage startup founders think they're managers and they're actually not.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

What they have is a team that's actually managing them.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

Because when you're managing, say, 10 or less people and you're spending time with them every day, what's actually happening is they're managing you by influence because they know you well enough and they talk to you enough to work out what your desires are.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

So as long as you're articulate and energetic and sort of engaged, you actually don't have to manage.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

The team manages you up.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

But when you scale to 30 people, to 90 people or above, you no longer have those personal connections.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

You have to move to formal management techniques.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And that's like a sort of Fermi paradox great filter.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

It wipes out an amazing amount of startups.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And the way that's devinced is a collapse in the labor productivity per person.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

There's a term in microeconomics called managerial diseconomies of scale.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And I think in some ways, the angle of the decline of productivity per person is the difference between the sort of the stripes, the great startups and the failures.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And maybe if you're a great startup, as you go from 10 people to 100 people, output per person drops 15%.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And if you're a bad startup, it actually drops over 90%, with the result that often 100 people startups produce less than they did when they had 10 people, because the managerial collapse has been so extreme.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

And one interesting thing is if you look at the companies that get very big, maybe there's a sort of interesting explanation where...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Charlie Songhurst โ€“ Lessons from Investing in 483 Companies - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]

One of the shared attributes was an instinct for the sort of structures and processes of management that were shared between Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos, the Carlitons, all these sort of super talented people.