Charlotte Higgins

But the war is also just very obviously about culture.

So if we didn't look at cultural destruction or what artists are doing or the politics of language or think about Ukrainian identity, we'd just be missing a whole tranche of it.

I also honestly believe that,

The Ukrainians are reframing forms in which people can express ideas around this kind of violence.

Even in the most horrific situations, people need and want to create stuff and they need and want to be heard and seen.

There's so much going on, just formally, just really new and interesting ways where sort of documentary meets poetry meets memoir, but in ways that I haven't seen before.

It's

Kind of exciting.

It's appalling that it's having to be created.

But I'm quite sure that in the future, the way this war is thought about will be seen through the way the best of these artists have remembered it in their writing and in their poetry, in their prose, in their plays, in their art.

Charlotte thank you so much for your time today.

Thank you Annie it's always a pleasure.