Chase Jarvis

It's, it's a combination of what gets you the information, the fastest it's form and function.

So it's not just wingdings for the

But again, features, you're going to continue to see more and more of that.

And I think as platforms become templatized, we'll get a more interactive, exciting experience with our news.

I think timing is everything.

And I learned a lot along the way for sure.

You know, it was definitely, I think not a lot of people can say they've made a billion dollar mistake, but it was a handful of different problems.

Like one was being so first, you know, early that creates a challenge.

It's not just about being first.

Uh, and then the second is, you know, I had a relationship with a developer that got into a little legal snafu and that legal snafu, it did two things.

One, it slowed the development of the app down.

And two, more importantly, it paralyzed me.

I had companies asking to, you know, buy it for never work again, money like private jet money.

And, uh, what is that?

So when you have that and you have venture folks coming at you and when you'd spent the previous 10 years of your life working very hard to define yourself as an artist and you're confronted with the difference between an artist and an entrepreneur, at that point, my identity, my personality, who I was hadn't reconciled that yet.

As a person relatively of privilege, being white, born in America, middle class— Male.

Yeah, male.

All of those things working for me, the fact that it was still a struggle, I think, A, it outlines how folks who don't come from all of that privilege, what the additional struggle they have with identity, with opportunity, with—

so many things.

And, you know, A, it made me appreciate that.