Chelsea Devantez

I would kill for him because he is all and everything there is.

And it ends with the phrase, magic is real.

I can't believe what a psychic moment I had in picking you to be my guest for this, given what you just said about your experience, because I think this is such a, I'm not sure if delicate is the right word, but this contains multiple subjects that must be specifically related

and accurately talked about in order to not cause further harm.

And so I'm approaching this book also with a lot of caution of like, gosh, I hope I can even like navigate this conversation correctly because what she did in the book, I thought was astounding, both from crafts, like usually writing in a manic first person narrative is just not...

something I'm gonna want to read at all and usually there's not great storytelling or story building and the way she takes you through her mind so that you would choose every step she chooses until it starts turning underneath your feet I imagine and I'm not imagining from a far away land I am imagining from growing up near and next to many grifting colts in my life hot rag

That this is exactly what it feels like.

And you and I both share something else, which is having lived in New Mexico.

Oh, yes.

Which, New Mexico, the white people there love a cult.

They love a cult.

Would you agree?

I'll say this up top and then we'll get into the story, but there can be a grift within anything.

You know, you can get grifted at a car dealership.

You can get grifted in Catholicism.

You can get grifted into a wellness cult.

So this isn't specific to wellness culture.

However, this has been my personal point of view, which is that the entry level into grifting and wellness is a lower bar.

than other places like you gotta go through a set of steps in other churches whether they're good steps or bad steps you gotta like be anointed some way make it through a building you gotta do some things in wellness you can show up one day and be like a serpent speaks through me

And if you manipulate the right people, they are now following your path, right?