Chenjerai Kumanyika

Yeah, yeah. So excited to be here.

Yeah, yeah. So excited to be here.

Yeah, yeah. So excited to be here.

Well, so many of these executive orders and actions aren't legal and they don't stand up in court. So what Trump is really doing here is actually performance, right? I mean, he wants to create a sort of spectacle and performance that's so compelling to his audiences that no one even cares about the law or the First Amendment. But, of course, Trump is good at this, right?

Well, so many of these executive orders and actions aren't legal and they don't stand up in court. So what Trump is really doing here is actually performance, right? I mean, he wants to create a sort of spectacle and performance that's so compelling to his audiences that no one even cares about the law or the First Amendment. But, of course, Trump is good at this, right?

Well, so many of these executive orders and actions aren't legal and they don't stand up in court. So what Trump is really doing here is actually performance, right? I mean, he wants to create a sort of spectacle and performance that's so compelling to his audiences that no one even cares about the law or the First Amendment. But, of course, Trump is good at this, right?

We didn't meet this guy because he was a legal expert. Most folks met Trump because he was performing a kind of silly reality show or being like a kind of— rich but cartoonish business person, right? So, like, he understands performance, and unfortunately, it's not just performance, right? There's a real cost here.

We didn't meet this guy because he was a legal expert. Most folks met Trump because he was performing a kind of silly reality show or being like a kind of— rich but cartoonish business person, right? So, like, he understands performance, and unfortunately, it's not just performance, right? There's a real cost here.

We didn't meet this guy because he was a legal expert. Most folks met Trump because he was performing a kind of silly reality show or being like a kind of— rich but cartoonish business person, right? So, like, he understands performance, and unfortunately, it's not just performance, right? There's a real cost here.

Yeah. I mean, I think every right that I have that the vast majority of Americans have in this country is because people protest. At times, people challenge the law. Sometimes people broke laws as part of civil disobedience. And it's interesting because that aspect of protest is what sometimes people who are really proud to be American is usually what they're bragging about.

Yeah. I mean, I think every right that I have that the vast majority of Americans have in this country is because people protest. At times, people challenge the law. Sometimes people broke laws as part of civil disobedience. And it's interesting because that aspect of protest is what sometimes people who are really proud to be American is usually what they're bragging about.

Yeah. I mean, I think every right that I have that the vast majority of Americans have in this country is because people protest. At times, people challenge the law. Sometimes people broke laws as part of civil disobedience. And it's interesting because that aspect of protest is what sometimes people who are really proud to be American is usually what they're bragging about.

The problem is that protest also challenges whoever is in power at that time. And so there's always an incentive to put protests down.

The problem is that protest also challenges whoever is in power at that time. And so there's always an incentive to put protests down.

The problem is that protest also challenges whoever is in power at that time. And so there's always an incentive to put protests down.

Well, historically, the way that this has played out is that people who are often fighting to make America a more robust democracy are cast as some kind of internal enemy. And that internal threat often has to do with people's ethnicity, their immigration status. I mean, there's a long history, right?

Well, historically, the way that this has played out is that people who are often fighting to make America a more robust democracy are cast as some kind of internal enemy. And that internal threat often has to do with people's ethnicity, their immigration status. I mean, there's a long history, right?

Well, historically, the way that this has played out is that people who are often fighting to make America a more robust democracy are cast as some kind of internal enemy. And that internal threat often has to do with people's ethnicity, their immigration status. I mean, there's a long history, right?

It's not just like when you hear Trump sort of saying that there's an internal enemy, which he was saying on the campaign trail.

It's not just like when you hear Trump sort of saying that there's an internal enemy, which he was saying on the campaign trail.