Cheryl Haley

He would set up a task where he would have a nail on the wall and he would try to feel it in his dreams and see if he could actually

And so he was curious about his mind in the same way that he was curious about all facets of reality.

And so I think he was genuinely curious and he knew that he did not have too much time to live.

What I remember that I thought was quite significant was when Richard was getting off on LSD for the first time, we were watching the water, and the water was moving, and he started saying,

We've got to draw the line somewhere.

We've got to draw the line somewhere.

And I always remembered that because to me, it meant that once one started entering that unitive state where everything becomes interactive and commingled,

There's an arbitrary line that is drawn that is consensually agreed upon to be the nature of reality.

And I thought it was a very significant thing for him to be saying at that time.

He said he met her when she was 16.

She was shortly diagnosed with TB.

They got married anyway.

And he said, we grew up together.

He said, now people have this idea that you have to grow up before you get married.

But we got married and we grew up together.

One thing that I will say about him is that he did not believe in an afterlife.

And when Arlene died and she would come to him in dreams, he would tell her, go away, go away.

And another friend of ours who was there for the LSD time, she felt so sad that he felt that way.

And Richard wrote me a letter afterwards saying he's so sorry that he made my friend cry because

because she felt so sad that he did not believe in any kind of ongoing spirituality or any kind of ongoing life with Arlene, even though she had left her body.