Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie

And I think that that moralizing then means like, because you think this way, you're a bad person and I cannot talk to you and you cannot be in my life. I think it's a particularly American thing. I really think so. And it's quite contemporary. I mean, it's recent. I came to the U.S. in 97. I don't think America was like that when I came to the U.S. I think it's recent. Do you find it like that?

And I think that that moralizing then means like, because you think this way, you're a bad person and I cannot talk to you and you cannot be in my life. I think it's a particularly American thing. I really think so. And it's quite contemporary. I mean, it's recent. I came to the U.S. in 97. I don't think America was like that when I came to the U.S. I think it's recent. Do you find it like that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you first came?

When you first came?

But that's also because our politics in Africa is not ideological, though. Oh, what do you mean? What do you mean by that? But it's not, though. I mean, is there in South Africa a party that you could say is on the left and on the right and in the center? based on their policies?

But that's also because our politics in Africa is not ideological, though. Oh, what do you mean? What do you mean by that? But it's not, though. I mean, is there in South Africa a party that you could say is on the left and on the right and in the center? based on their policies?

Yeah, but I'm just thinking about what I think that this kind of polarization, even that word I don't like, I think it preceded Trump. I think Trump made it worse.

Yeah, but I'm just thinking about what I think that this kind of polarization, even that word I don't like, I think it preceded Trump. I think Trump made it worse.

I'm so amused that you then went to Google. Wait, this doesn't sound right.

I'm so amused that you then went to Google. Wait, this doesn't sound right.

Yes. Trevor, you do know that there is such a thing as the first person narration.

Yes. Trevor, you do know that there is such a thing as the first person narration.

No, I'm just saying for me. But also it's a wonderful compliment. Can I just say that? Because it means that you still believed this world that I created.

No, I'm just saying for me. But also it's a wonderful compliment. Can I just say that? Because it means that you still believed this world that I created.

Because I'm interested in this moment because I think, well, COVID... COVID is, I think for a writer, COVID is gold because especially lockdown. Lockdown was so surreal, so unique, so original that you cannot but use it. It's like perfect material because you can do anything with lockdown. And I think people reacted to lockdown in such different ways.

Because I'm interested in this moment because I think, well, COVID... COVID is, I think for a writer, COVID is gold because especially lockdown. Lockdown was so surreal, so unique, so original that you cannot but use it. It's like perfect material because you can do anything with lockdown. And I think people reacted to lockdown in such different ways.

So you kind of start with lockdown was your canvas and you can really do anything with it. So I remember, I'm not sure, I didn't set out to, I don't even think of it as a COVID novel. I think of it as, because COVID in some ways is only a, so you want a character who's looking back. You want a character who I'm very interested in looking back. I'm very, I'm almost addicted to nostalgia.

So you kind of start with lockdown was your canvas and you can really do anything with it. So I remember, I'm not sure, I didn't set out to, I don't even think of it as a COVID novel. I think of it as, because COVID in some ways is only a, so you want a character who's looking back. You want a character who I'm very interested in looking back. I'm very, I'm almost addicted to nostalgia.