Chris Campion

And so that's what we try to do in these cases.

And of course, during that time, when you get to know the person a little bit, I like to try to drop a few hints and some themes that I might come back to later on.

Temporary relief from the hell that they're living in.

Well, the biggest theme with Daniel that I suspected is that he didn't feel like anybody else could understand what was going on in his head.

That he thought that he was unique, that nobody else felt like this.

And so I tried to reassure him that

I had talked to other people who have had these kind of very dark thoughts and fantasies, and that I wasn't going to look at him like he was an evil, terrible person.

That I could understand, try to understand what was going on in his interior life, in his thoughts.

Well, to the casual observer, you might think he's just, you know, he's getting through his depression and, you know, this is a good thing.

He's looking forward to a life of doing positive things.

In my mind, as I'm listening to that, I'm thinking he's looking forward to being a serial killer.

When I worked with the profilers on analyzing this case, and they've taught this to people such as myself, FBI agents out in the field for years, these people are fantasy-driven.

The people who commit a crime, like we saw in the crime scene photos of this double murder, they're motivated by a fantasy.

Their interior life is completely obsessed with this fantasy that he has.

And Daniel's, we find out later, is about death and mutilation and murder and gore.

And so I knew that that was going on in his mind.

So that's why I felt pretty confident he was talking about looking forward to his future as a criminal.

This is what gave him pleasure.

This is what gave him meaning in his life.

This is what really thrilled him.