Chris Duffy

I always love like the funny moments.

And you had a very funny story about a pastor in one of these workshops who says to the organizer, like, are you trying to tell me that I should be building bridges with the devil?

And John Powell, the head of the Othering and Belonging Institute at UC Berkeley, says, well, maybe don't start there.

And I feel like maybe that is the answer to some of my concerns.

It's like I can imagine the worst person, the most dangerous, violent person.

And I'm like, you're trying to tell me to try and understand and be curious about them.

We're going to take a quick break and then we will be right back after this.

In Monica's work as a journalist, she spent a lot of time with people who she doesn't necessarily agree with, trying her best to accurately represent their viewpoints and their stories.

That's her job.

But wow, that feels so hard to do when it is not your profession.

To me, it feels scary.

It feels overwhelming.

It often just feels impossible.

But maybe, maybe the idea of the other side that we have in our head isn't quite as accurate as we think it is.

Here's another clip from Monica's TED Talk.

Talking one of the other things that comes to mind for me is the idea of like, if you're building these smaller bridges, it also clarifies what you actually believe, right?

Like you don't want to have to defend your right to exist, but a little bit of friction on.

So why do you think that?

I don't actually naturally think that.

I know that I care about this, but why?