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Chris Hare

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Which is that too often I've seen great leaders in every other sense who go this particular person's maybe dragging their feet a bit or is lagging a bit, but you know what the team performance overall is so strong that we can just basically mask that and I can avoid an awkward conversation. The expedition world has taught me that you nip that in the bud as soon as you sense that, right?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Which is that too often I've seen great leaders in every other sense who go this particular person's maybe dragging their feet a bit or is lagging a bit, but you know what the team performance overall is so strong that we can just basically mask that and I can avoid an awkward conversation. The expedition world has taught me that you nip that in the bud as soon as you sense that, right?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Whether it's with a particular plan or just understanding what's going on, you need to address that almost immediately. Too many times in life, I've made so many mistakes, but too many times in life, I have a gut sense, like a gut inclination towards a particular direction, and it becomes vindicated months or even years later, even though I knew what I needed to do a year ago or months ago.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Whether it's with a particular plan or just understanding what's going on, you need to address that almost immediately. Too many times in life, I've made so many mistakes, but too many times in life, I have a gut sense, like a gut inclination towards a particular direction, and it becomes vindicated months or even years later, even though I knew what I needed to do a year ago or months ago.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Now in an expedition scenario, that's life or death, right? So you don't, the pressure to make that type of decision is much more to a business decision where someone loses their livelihood or their income, which is still a big deal. But obviously not as big a deal as Art Expedition. And I've seen a lot of leaders who just fail to understand that.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Now in an expedition scenario, that's life or death, right? So you don't, the pressure to make that type of decision is much more to a business decision where someone loses their livelihood or their income, which is still a big deal. But obviously not as big a deal as Art Expedition. And I've seen a lot of leaders who just fail to understand that.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

And so they let low performers continue working in their organizations. But guess what? The people you work with, if you've done a semi-decent job, are not stupid. They can see that this person has slack and is being let off. And it really affects the morale in particular of your top performers who say, what's the point?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

And so they let low performers continue working in their organizations. But guess what? The people you work with, if you've done a semi-decent job, are not stupid. They can see that this person has slack and is being let off. And it really affects the morale in particular of your top performers who say, what's the point?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

What's the point of me pushing towards this big vision that I've been sold on that I want to work towards?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

What's the point of me pushing towards this big vision that I've been sold on that I want to work towards?

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

if i don't have to put in the same effort and still be around and it's the same thing on an expedition the last thing you really want on expedition is someone who requires a lot of energy and a lot of support but contributes very little you have to be agnostic to the reasons for this right you can be very sympathetic with someone on an expedition who's having a really difficult time you

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

if i don't have to put in the same effort and still be around and it's the same thing on an expedition the last thing you really want on expedition is someone who requires a lot of energy and a lot of support but contributes very little you have to be agnostic to the reasons for this right you can be very sympathetic with someone on an expedition who's having a really difficult time you

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

And at least on the expeditions I've organized with people that I haven't done expeditions with, they're always in generally well-supported areas. So if I need to evacuate, someone will get them out. I don't need to be an ass about it. If I'm about to say that, yeah, I can basically be sympathetic to them and help them get out the expedition without it affecting them or the team.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

And at least on the expeditions I've organized with people that I haven't done expeditions with, they're always in generally well-supported areas. So if I need to evacuate, someone will get them out. I don't need to be an ass about it. If I'm about to say that, yeah, I can basically be sympathetic to them and help them get out the expedition without it affecting them or the team.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

It's the same for a business. In fact, in many ways, a business is an expedition on easy mode. If you need to let someone go tomorrow and you need to do it and you do it in a responsible way that gives them the support they deserve and need, you can make that decision without worrying about whether they'll find work again or whatever. You cannot do that in an expedition environment.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

It's the same for a business. In fact, in many ways, a business is an expedition on easy mode. If you need to let someone go tomorrow and you need to do it and you do it in a responsible way that gives them the support they deserve and need, you can make that decision without worrying about whether they'll find work again or whatever. You cannot do that in an expedition environment.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Yeah, okay. With regards to the first part of the question, I think I got very lucky. Anyone who's had any reasonable success in their life and relies on their own sheer will to explain that success, I think there's something they're not telling you. Although I greatly and deeply admire those types of people. That type of confusion, per se, I think it's actually quite cool.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

Yeah, okay. With regards to the first part of the question, I think I got very lucky. Anyone who's had any reasonable success in their life and relies on their own sheer will to explain that success, I think there's something they're not telling you. Although I greatly and deeply admire those types of people. That type of confusion, per se, I think it's actually quite cool.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

That being said, for me, it first started at home, in particular with my parents, my mother and father. They had, going back to my analogy of mountains, they had particular goals and peaks that they wished I would summit. But those peaks were actually, they weren't even peaks. They were more like those north stars. They were values.

Chief Change Officer
#142 Chris Schrader: Turning a Modest Charity into an 8-Figure Marathon for Change โ€“ Part Two

That being said, for me, it first started at home, in particular with my parents, my mother and father. They had, going back to my analogy of mountains, they had particular goals and peaks that they wished I would summit. But those peaks were actually, they weren't even peaks. They were more like those north stars. They were values.