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Chris Jennings

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Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

They were just trying to maintain the cover of their own informant whose cover within the world of the Aryan nations was as a gun runner.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

So by buying guns from Randy, he was able to sort of keep Randy around and get to know him a little better with the hope that

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

That Randy might help lead them to a more overtly dangerous character.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

There was a lot of federal interest in the Aryan Nations at the time because there had just been this big spate of violent terrorism that had originated more or less from within the wider community of inland Northwest white supremacists.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Correct.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

The whole thing probably would have gone away.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Randy was a small fish and they were actually more interested in his friend who was making noises about starting some kind of group to bring the fight to the feds, which wasn't something that particularly interested Randy.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

So two ATF agents approach Randy.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Randy, to them on paper, looks kind of like a good candidate for someone who's an informant.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

He's friends with a lot of these guys, but he's not a real true believer.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

He clearly doesn't want to be a terrorist.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

But Randy refuses to become an informant and what's more, refuses to have sort of any further dealing with the government.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

So criminal charges are brought before a grand jury in Idaho for the illegal weapons sale, which again, it's worth saying if Randy had gone to court, it probably would have been a pretty minor punishment.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Gun-friendly Idaho jury, he probably would have gotten work release or probation or something like that.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Well, they drove up once and Randy and Vicki were away visiting a friend and the kids were standing in the road, armed.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

The marshals, they were in their office clothes and they were not prepared for any kind of

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

confrontation and the kids looked rather ominous to them.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

So they turned around and went away.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

And I would say to the credit of the U.S.

Fresh Air
The Ruby Ridge siege & conspiracy-laced politics in America

Marshals, they ended up being about a year and a half sending rather gentle pleading notes up the hill through friends, through intermediaries saying, just come down and talk.