Chris Johns

And there are similar, each of those different experiences and others that I could cite have been similar and different.

But I think the

There are mental and physical aspects of grief that are common to all experiences.

It's just the degree and the specific circumstances mean that they're different as well.

But it's mental and physical pain.

It's both.

The pain is physical in the sense that, for me, it's always a gut pain more than anything else.

I've often thought, as a result of all those different experiences and lots of other things, that mental...

Pain is as acute, if not worse than physical pain at times.

It's a real thing.

It's a real thing.

Yeah, each set of the circumstances is unique, but pain is pain, I think.

I think each one, the time that you take for the pain to lessen varies a lot.

different things can remind you of it.

Anniversaries, birthdays, those sorts of things are common to all of us.

Yeah, so that's a long-winded answer to your question.

Oh, no, definitely not.

Definitely not.

You can have really good days or better days, shall I say.

And then all of a sudden, for no obvious reason at all, the next day is blooming awful.