Chris Johns

And on this one, I think Blair is absolutely right.

He's getting pilloried in the press for being Britain's new version of Donald Trump for some reason.

He's certainly said some pro-Trump things.

He certainly, as always with Blair, he wants Britain to stay close to America.

But we've also had Rishi Sunak, another ex-British prime minister on the airwaves today, talking specifically about financial literacy issues.

And I'll mention that in a moment because that in and of itself is really interesting.

But listening to both Blair and Sunak talking today on the various programs that they've been on about the British political scene,

I was struck by just how similar they sound.

Really, now that they're out of office, they occupy the same sort of, you know, centrist dad space.

And Sunak in particular sounds a very different man to the one that led the Conservative Party and his attacks on wind power and solar power.

Well, no, it's a comment about politics, isn't it?

And what happens to politicians on their way to the top?

I think, and this is affecting Burnham as well, and it affected Sunak, is that you have to adopt policies that attract voters.

In the first instance, you have to adopt policies that attract your party, because these are the internal processes and procedures that are...

alluding to earlier on of the Labour Party, is that you've got to get members of the Labour Party to vote for you if you want to become leader, if you want to become prime minister.

And that's what Burnham is doing.

And Burnham is saying Tony Blair is completely and utterly wrong and that the problem facing the UK is inequality.

And I'll come back to that.

But what happens is, you know, that old Jean-Claude Juncker comment about we all know what the right thing to do is, but we don't know how to get elected if we do it.

So that breeds a certain degree of cynicism amongst everybody, particularly the politicians concerned, but also the people that they're asking to vote for them.