Chris Johnston

And, you know, when you have a franchise legend say that, I'm sure Carey meant well by those words.

CJ, he had to have known.

Just a bit.

You know, sometimes maybe you're doing a podcast, you almost feel like you're talking to your friends and you forget that it's going to be blared loudly.

You know, I don't know what was going on there.

Kerry doesn't give a lot of interviews, so his words carry even more weight because he doesn't say a lot in that public forum either.

Well, 100% the Leafs had discussions involving Matthew Nyes.

How close it got, I think, has probably been overstated a little bit in some circles.

I don't have the impression that they got right down to the final stages and ended up missing on a deal with him.

But let's look at the reasons why you would trade a Matthew Nyes.

I mean, he has no protection in his contract.

he's probably the most valuable asset the leafs have i'm not saying by any stretch he's their best player but if you got to a point at any stage where they're trying to trade one of the players with a no movement clause they're not as valuable on the market because they're going to dictate where they go it's not a true you know open process for bidding and so you know i think given where the season's gone where things are at it just made sense for the leafs to listen on nice

You know, Dregs may know differently, but I have no reason to believe they got close, close to getting anything done there.

But, you know, it's everything was on the table effectively and they listened and got a sense of his value.

And we'll see if they pick that up.

I don't even know he'll be making that call in the summertime, but it could obviously be something that's revisited down the road.

I mean, it's the question.

You're right, O-Dog.

It's not being communicated.

I still think that based on the fact they don't have their next two first-round picks, and we all know the conditions on this one, but effectively they've traded away two first-round picks coming up.