Chris Marientis

Um, establishing a strong culture and leadership is critical to be able to enable when you do these pivots or when you do these evolutions of your company, you really need to be able to do that.

Um, have strong leadership and then raise capital at the right time.

And I think that is a great instrument when you feel comfortable that you could add the kind of add water and it'll grow.

That's when debt becomes a big opportunity for you.

Thanks.