Chris Mason

Humanity's next great voyage begins.

We are in the midst of a rupture.

Thinking about it like a panto helped.

Hello, it's Adam in the Newscast Studio.

And it is Chris at Westminster.

And we're recording this episode at 22 minutes past two on Friday afternoon.

And Chris did his interview with Keir Starmer mid-morning on Friday.

So it's still pretty fresh.

And Chris, I thought we could just talk through the interview, play some clips from it, and then gather our thoughts.

Yeah.

But first of all, do you want to just say a bit of, I hate this word, context, but it is very important.

What's the context?

Well, you know, he lost his defence secretary yesterday, didn't he?

And armed forces minister.

And indeed his armed force minister as well.

And where the central critique of John Healey, the departing defence secretary, was to say that the plan that the prime minister was seeking to get the defence secretary, the government and the country to sign up to, risked not keeping the UK safe.

And that is a...

I mean, you cannot say something more wounding, damaging, politically sharpening than that as a defence secretary when you're leaving office of a sitting prime minister.

That is huge, irrespective of everything else about the prime minister's future and the elections and the by-election in May, all that stuff.

It's huge.