Chris Mason

We don't know what the situation in the Strait of Hormuz is going to be.

And crucially, we don't know, and they're still working it through,

who they would target and with what kind of support.

But they over and over again come back.

And even just practically how to find those people in the system.

Completely that.

And back to that age-old argument that we've had before, haven't we, on Newscast, that if you try and create some sort of tiering or some sort of cut-off, then you can create cliff edges.

And if you don't do that, then it gets very complicated.

But then if it's universal, it's very expensive.

So all of that.

But they say at the moment they are working through what they might do

come the winter where obviously people's energy bills are much greater, much more expensive and you spend more on energy.

But they don't know what they're going to do because they don't know what the situation is going to be.

The phrase I kept hearing was, who knows where we'll be come October.

And that can apply to the individuals, I think sometimes who are saying that, as well as the economic picture internationally and therefore domestically that we will encounter then.

I mean, there's a whole list.

But I mean, I think on the migration thing.

There has been a trend in that direction.

I mean, there's definitely been an argument today about who can claim credit for it, with the Conservatives saying, with some justification, that things that they were doing just before the election have contributed to this pushing through.

And there's some suggesting that the numbers are likely to tick upwards.