Chris Olah
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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I think it has to be something that I can verify is actually really good, though. That's why I think these questions that are like, where I'm like, oh, this is like, you know, like, you know, sometimes it's just like, I'll come up with, say, a concrete counterexample to like an argument or something like that.
I'm sure like with like, it would be like if you're a mathematician, you had a novel proof, I think, and you just gave it the problem and you saw it and you're like, this proof is genuinely novel. Like there's no one has ever done. You actually have to do a lot of things to come up with this. You know, I had to sit and think about it for months or something.
And then if you saw the model successfully do that, I think you would just be like, I can verify that this is correct. It is a sign that you have generalized from your training. You didn't just see this somewhere because I just came up with it myself and you were able to replicate that.
That's the kind of thing where I'm like, for me, the closer, the more that models can do things like that, the more I would be like, oh, this is like... Very real, because then I can, I don't know, I can like verify that that's like extremely, extremely capable.
Yeah, it's interesting because I think like people focus so much on intelligence, especially with models. Look, intelligence is important because of what it does. Like it's very useful. It does a lot of things in the world. And I'm like, you know, you can imagine a world where like height or strength would have played this role. And I'm like, it's just a trait like that.
I'm like, it's not intrinsically valuable. It's valuable because of what it does, I think for the most part. The things that feel, you know, I'm like, I mean, personally, I'm just like, I think humans and like life in general is extremely magical.
We almost like to the degree that I, you know, I don't know, like not everyone agrees with this, I'm flagging, but you know, we have this like whole universe and there's like all of these objects, you know, there's like beautiful stars and there's like galaxies. And then, I don't know, I'm just like on this planet, there are these creatures that have this like ability to observe that.
Like, and they are like seeing it, they are experiencing it. And I'm just like that, if you try to explain, like, I imagine trying to explain to like, I don't know, someone, for some reason, they've never encountered the world or science or anything. And I think that nothing is that like everything, you know, like all of our physics and everything in the world, it's all extremely exciting.
But then you say, oh, and plus, there's this thing that it is to be a thing. and observe in the world, and you see this inner cinema, and I think they would be like, hang on, wait, pause. You just said something that is kind of wild sounding. And so I'm like, we have this ability to experience the world. We feel pleasure, we feel suffering, we feel a lot of complex things.
And so, yeah, and maybe this is also why I think, I also hear a lot about animals, for example, because I think they probably share this with us. Um, so I think that like the things that make humans special insofar as like I care about humans is probably more like their ability to, to feel and experience than it is like them having these like functionally useful traits.
And that they're having a good time.
Yeah.
Yeah, thanks for talking.
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