Chris Pedregal
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first heard Feb 2025
last heard Feb 2025
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But that process was such an incredible way of synthesizing all this advice that I guarantee I would have dropped different parts along the way. That's one example. I think another example is, and this is something we've observed with Granola users is just The way they approach notes is completely different to how they used to approach notes.
So if you look at the notes of granola users who use granola a lot, they only write a couple notes per meeting. And those notes are usually the internal thoughts that they had. So it's not the stuff that's in the transcript. It's like, oof, this person was a bit aggressive, or they seem kind of down, or I'm concerned about this area because they didn't really answer my question.
Like these things that are these really critical thoughts, And then everything else is deferred to the AI transcription. And when they come back to use the granola notes, they'll oftentimes be chatting. So instead of reading lots of notes for a meeting, they usually have a specific question in mind or piece of information that they're looking for.
And they find it more efficient to just ask that question and have a really high quality answer written for them.
I think at the end of the day, the central question of what's the information I need right now to be able to make the best decision possible is a central one. There's this image, if you're a diplomat, you get this dossier before you go into a high stakes negotiation that gives you all the background information that was crafted for that moment.
I think we're going to live in a world where everyone's getting those in real time whenever they go into any meeting. I think the interesting questions are, what context is useful for that? Is it just the previous meeting? Is it all your emails? Is it all the information in the world that goes in there? And then what's the actual interface of that look like?
And I think my view for Granola right now, Granola helps you generate the best meeting notes out there. But tomorrow, Granola should help you do all the work you want to do. So you walk out of a meeting and you need to write a follow-up email. You need to write an investment memo. You need to schedule an event with a whole bunch of different people.
Granola or a tool like Granola, with all the necessary context, should be able to take you 80, 90, 95% of the way there. I think something that's very important to me and the folks at Granola is that we see the role of AI as being a tool to make you better.
We think you can use AI to replace a person or take away a task from a person, or you can use AI to augment a person's abilities, augment their intelligence and augment their abilities. And we're really big believers in this idea of tools that make humans do more, achieve more, think more.
And so everything we're building is this idea of can you get Granola to do all the busy work of writing up that follow email, but then you add your judgment to it, which is actually what really matters here is this. And this is what's going to convince this person. So I'm going to twist it slightly as opposed to worry about all the specifics I need to get in there.
I think as a society, we just need to be really thoughtful about the trade-offs is the answer. So I believe that in a couple years, maybe 18 months, speed of AI so fast, doing meetings, doing work without something like Granola will feel like such an impediment that no one's going to want to do it. So everyone's going to be using tools like this because they will be so useful.
Now, there's a real trade-off, like you said, on invasiveness and privacy. And I think as a society, we need to thread the needle where you get maximum usefulness from these tools with the minimum amount of invasiveness. Where that line is going to be and how we navigate that, I don't know. I don't know where we're going to end up.
when we first created Granola, we made a very conscious decision not to record and store any audio. Even though Granola is listening to the audio, it basically transcribes in real time, but it doesn't store any of the audio. And everyone kind of laughed at us for that. Why wouldn't you? Wouldn't the audio be useful? And of course it would be. You want to be able to go back and listen to
What exactly did someone say and what was their tone of voice? There's definitely a loss of value for the user because we're not recording the audio. But what it means, though, is that Granola is way less invasive than any of those other AI meeting bots that join your meetings. Those bots record the audio, record the video, and they store it. who knows how long that stuff's around for.
And that feels completely different, in my opinion, than something like Granola, which is generating really nice notes and you have a transcript and it's super useful, but it's much less invasive and much less intrusive. I think there's a real question, which is, what's it like when we're walking around the real world? I think on a Zoom call is one thing.
Usually there's a specific reason for meeting and people understand the context of that meeting and what the expectations are. I think the norms in our social lives will be very, very different than in the workplace is my guess.
I don't know exactly where that will end up, but I see a pretty stark distinction between in the workplace setting, most people want all these things captured because the AI can provide so much value. to the user, whereas in our social surroundings, I think that'll be a very divisive issue. We'll see how that goes. I could see it, I remember when Google Glass came out, there was a huge backlash.
I could see a similar backlash happening when AI pendants start becoming popular. You have that one guy showing up at a party and he's recording everything and it pisses off everyone else.
Our iOS app is launching soon. Sam and I, my co-founder and I, we built this because we wanted it ourselves. We thought it would be useful. We thought it was interesting. And quite frankly, we were really surprised by how it took off and by how once someone starts using Granola for all their important work calls, you basically are outsourcing some of your long-term memory to Granola.
You start to have this expectation that you can go back and look up these important things from any conversation. Some of the most upset emails we get from users are saying exactly what you're saying, which is, hey, a third of my meetings are in person and I'm flying blind. I'm like naked in those meetings. I desperately need granola in person.
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