Chris Robinson

I'm also interested in anything where before science becomes one thing and the occult is another thing.

Right.

There's a certain time, and I'm really interested in John Dee, the great occultist scientist, English, around Elizabeth I's reign.

But that his scientific ideas were equally... They possessed the same gravity as his occult ideas.

And those things were in the same world.

They weren't removed from each other.

It wasn't like one was silly and one was serious.

They were both taken with the same level of sobriety or whatever.

And...

And that's what we were talking before.

I think there's a... To remove the mystic from everything or not to be able to at least have a nod to it or understand... I mean, what is ancient Egypt?

You know what I mean?

Yes, they're a great civilization that could organize, but at its base and what's holding it together is this mystical, weird thing.

So to remove that completely...

I think it's... I don't know.

It seems so rigid.

It's a foolish, rational reductionist.

There has to be integration of different things because...

You feel people's need for that to integrate those things.

And psychedelics.